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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2024-11-13 · 52 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.

  • p. 5 …Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any time, and I recognize myself for…
  • p. 6 …The reality is, despite their enormous taxpayer-funded budgets, the transparency of the Defense Department and…
  • p. 7 …it in real time now, and Mr. Burchett will enter it into the record, but 12…
  • p. 9 …Since then, the Joint Chiefs have implemented standards for UAP reporting across the services. The intelligence…
  • p. 12 …In the time of heightened distrust of our government institutions, I believe more transparency is not…
  • p. 14 …At the time, my personnel were par- ticipating in a predeployment naval exercise off the U…
  • p. 15 …others to do the same, and it is my hope over time that a number of…
  • p. 17 …and help restore the American public’s trust at a time when the public’s trust…
  • p. 18 …authorization for some time, quite possibly decades. Furthermore, these individuals have revealed the name of an…
  • p. 19 …The Pentagon, the intelligence community is treating us like chil- dren. It is time for us…
  • p. 23 …That is a crazy idea, right? The hypocrisy and the logic. OK. Mr. Shellenberger, I am…
  • p. 24 …And the more extraordinary those discoveries, the more extraordinary those new beliefs, it is very difficult…
  • p. 26 …of the deep state since you worked in government for a long period of time. But…
  • p. 29 …working with former leadership of AARO at the time as well. Mr. BURCHETT. And we punish…
  • p. 36 …the human body can withstand about 9 g-forces for a short period of time be…
  • p. 37 …on the panel. So, just real quick, because I am running out of time. Lue? Mr…
  • p. 39 …just briefly, as I close my time, explain why the UAP Disclosure Act would be critical…
  • p. 40 …I think at the time when this first—this reality became evident to the U.S…
  • p. 41 37 There is also, then, the philosophical argument that the Depart- ment of Defense and the…
  • p. 42 …the government, as well as the inability to get people classifica- tions in a timely and…
  • p. 43 …The problem is, the supposed collection of these biologi- cal samples occurred before my time, in…
  • p. 45 …To the rest of the panel, was the Wall Street Jour- nal article the first time…
  • p. 46 …I am running out of time. The last thing is that we need authori- ties. Law…
  • p. 48 …Nothing beyond what is in the report and then the specific case that I mentioned with…
  • p. 50 …be like us, and every time we look out into the universe, we are humbled relative…
  • p. 51 …any- where in the world. So, Mr. Ogles, you are just in time, babe. I will…
  • p. 52 …This UAP issue may be the greatest issue of our time, and it is being hid…
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I believe we can always be more transparent. To me, this hearing
and others are simply about the truth and getting to the facts of
what these UAPs actually are.
It is very important that we show that Democrats and Repub-
licans in Congress can work together to cut through misinformation
and look for a serious and thoughtful way to have the discussion
in public.
Many of us have also called for additional public hearings to dis-
cuss UAPs. This should be a topic that continues on throughout the
Congress so we can gather more information, data, and work with
the relevant agencies to gather more information.
Finally, I just want to add that those that are here on this dais,
many of us have participated also in classified briefings as well,
and we have also gained a lot of important, I think, and interesting
information, at least I personally have.
And so, with that information, we want to continue today’s hear-
ing, and I thank all of our witnesses for being here.
And, with that, I would like to yield back.
Ms. MACE. Thank you, Mr. Garcia.
I would now like to recognize Mr. Grothman for a 5-minute intro-
duction.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Thank you.
Good morning. I would like to thank our witnesses for being here
one more time. This is a topic I have been interested in since
eighth grade.
I would like to thank Ms. Mace for working with me on this topic
and for making this a joint Subcommittee hearing.
Last year, the Subcommittee on National Security, the Border,
and Foreign Affairs held a historic hearing to understand the po-
tential national security risk of unidentified anomalous phe-
nomena, or UAPs. We heard from former Navy Commander David
Fravor, who shared firsthand experience with a UAP engaged
while on duty in the Pacific.
We learned from David Grusch, a former member of the intel-
ligence community, who revealed the supposed existence of secret
government programs hidden from congressional oversight.
Additionally, former military pilot Ryan Graves informed us of
the limited ways in which the military and commercial pilots can
report UAP sightings.
Since that last hearing, I have led several briefings with govern-
ment agencies to deepen my understanding with these issues.
First, the Department of Defense Inspector General’s Office in-
formed us that the Department of Defense does not have the
streamlined process for servicemembers to report UAP activity.
Since then, the Joint Chiefs have implemented standards for UAP
reporting across the services.
The intelligence community Inspector General informed us that
whistleblowers often fear retaliation for reporting mismanagement
of highly sensitive government projects or information.
Finally, AARO has expressed to the committee that, like any
other Federal Government agency, it has faced challenges in its es-
tablishment, specifically, in hiring staff to manage UAP historical
records and coordinating with other Federal agencies.

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