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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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2 Former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster said on Bill Maher’s program that, quote, ‘‘There are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by the science available to us.’’ Army Colonel Karl Nell, a member of the Federal Government UAP Task Force, said at a conference this past May that, ‘‘nonhuman intelligence exists, nonhuman intelligence has been interacting with humanity. This interaction is not new and has been ongoing, and they’re unelected people in the government that are aware of that.’’ But UAPs remain a controversial topic. I am not going to name names, but there are certain individuals who did not want this hearing to happen because they feared what might be disclosed. But we stood firm. No amount of outside pressure would ever keep me from pursuing a subject to ground, come hell or high water. On that score, I want to thank our witnesses for being here. We have before us a panel of individuals accomplished in the military and civilian government in science and in journalism. Some of the testimony you will hear them deliver today does not reflect well on influential individuals and agencies within the U.S. Federal Gov- ernment and, perhaps, some of our contractors. It is never easy to present such information publicly. So, I appre- ciate our witnesses voluntarily agreeing to being here today. This hearing is intended to help Congress and the American peo- ple to learn the extent of the programs and activities our govern- ment has engaged in with respect to UAPs and what knowledge it has yielded. This includes, of course, any knowledge of extra- terrestrial life or technology of nonhuman origin. If government-funded research on UAPs has not yielded any use- ful knowledge, we also need to know those facts. Taxpayers deserve to know how much has been invested. How much has been spent? They should not be kept in the dark to spare the Pentagon a little bit of embarrassment. The reality is, despite their enormous taxpayer-funded budgets, the transparency of the Defense Department and the intelligence community have long been abysmal. The Pentagon has failed six consecutive audits. In fact, it has never actually passed one. Adding to this is a runaway, overclassification of documents and materials, and reluctance to declassify materials when appropriate, and, at times, an outright refusal to share critical information with Congress. In short, it is not a track record that instills trust. So, Congress has tried in recent years to lift the veil and find out if information about UAPs is being withheld not only from the American public but also from their elected Representatives in Congress. Part of the transparency effort was legislation created in the Pentagon, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or AARO, but the new office is struggling to get its footing. A recent statutorily required report from AARO intended to illu- minate the government’s historic assessment of UAPs was heavily criticized by those seeking UAP transparency. The report has stoked suspicions AARO is unable or, perhaps, unwilling to bring forward the truth about the government’s activities concerning UAPs.
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