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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2024-11-13 · 52 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.

  • p. 5 …Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any time, and I recognize myself for…
  • p. 6 …The reality is, despite their enormous taxpayer-funded budgets, the transparency of the Defense Department and…
  • p. 7 …it in real time now, and Mr. Burchett will enter it into the record, but 12…
  • p. 9 …Since then, the Joint Chiefs have implemented standards for UAP reporting across the services. The intelligence…
  • p. 12 …In the time of heightened distrust of our government institutions, I believe more transparency is not…
  • p. 14 …At the time, my personnel were par- ticipating in a predeployment naval exercise off the U…
  • p. 15 …others to do the same, and it is my hope over time that a number of…
  • p. 17 …and help restore the American public’s trust at a time when the public’s trust…
  • p. 18 …authorization for some time, quite possibly decades. Furthermore, these individuals have revealed the name of an…
  • p. 19 …The Pentagon, the intelligence community is treating us like chil- dren. It is time for us…
  • p. 23 …That is a crazy idea, right? The hypocrisy and the logic. OK. Mr. Shellenberger, I am…
  • p. 24 …And the more extraordinary those discoveries, the more extraordinary those new beliefs, it is very difficult…
  • p. 26 …of the deep state since you worked in government for a long period of time. But…
  • p. 29 …working with former leadership of AARO at the time as well. Mr. BURCHETT. And we punish…
  • p. 36 …the human body can withstand about 9 g-forces for a short period of time be…
  • p. 37 …on the panel. So, just real quick, because I am running out of time. Lue? Mr…
  • p. 39 …just briefly, as I close my time, explain why the UAP Disclosure Act would be critical…
  • p. 40 …I think at the time when this first—this reality became evident to the U.S…
  • p. 41 37 There is also, then, the philosophical argument that the Depart- ment of Defense and the…
  • p. 42 …the government, as well as the inability to get people classifica- tions in a timely and…
  • p. 43 …The problem is, the supposed collection of these biologi- cal samples occurred before my time, in…
  • p. 45 …To the rest of the panel, was the Wall Street Jour- nal article the first time…
  • p. 46 …I am running out of time. The last thing is that we need authori- ties. Law…
  • p. 48 …Nothing beyond what is in the report and then the specific case that I mentioned with…
  • p. 50 …be like us, and every time we look out into the universe, we are humbled relative…
  • p. 51 …any- where in the world. So, Mr. Ogles, you are just in time, babe. I will…
  • p. 52 …This UAP issue may be the greatest issue of our time, and it is being hid…
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Mr. OGLES. So, I think it is reasonable to conclude that if there
is a threat to our personnel who are serving our country faithfully,
that there be oversight.
Dr. GALLAUDET. One hundred percent, Congressman.
And, in fact, that is the one thing that we have not talked about
enough during this hearing, the fact that the government, the exec-
utive branch, not sharing with Congress what it knows about UAP
infringes on your legislative and oversight responsibilities to such
an extent that it is very concerning. I mean, what else are we—
if you look at national security or intelligence or foreign affairs or
appropriations, you all have oversight and legislative responsibility
regarding those. This UAP issue may be the greatest issue of our
time, and it is being hid from you.
Mr. OGLES. Well, I mean, and to your point, I think we have seen
over the decades that we have certain adversaries, like China, like
Russia, that, technologically speaking, are not as advanced as us,
that they lack some of the lethality that we have, and that we have
seen that they have gone after our technologies and in some cases
succeeded, in particular with missile technology.
And so, again, my concern: Whether this technology emanates
from us or otherworldly, that we know that we possess it. And
where is the accountability? Where are the stopgaps? What are the
guarantees that if this were to fall in enemy hands that it is not
immediately weaponized against us?
And I will say this. It is clear from my experience and what I
have seen that there is something out there. The question is, is it
ours, is it someone else’s, or is it otherworldly?
And, Madam Chairwoman, I would posit that, as the legislative
body, as the regulatory body, we must know. And anyone who pre-
vents us from gaining access to that information, I would consider
that criminality. Because we have U.S. personnel who may very
well be in harm’s way, we have technology that ultimately may
threaten our very existence.
With that, Madam Chairman, I thank you for your indulgence,
and I yield back.
Ms. MACE. Thank you, Mr. Ogles.
And with that and without objection, all Members will have 5
legislative days within which to submit materials and to submit ad-
ditional written questions for the witnesses, which will be for-
warded to the witnesses for their response.
If there is no further business, without objection, the Sub-
committee stands adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 1:45 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]
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