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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2024-11-13 · 52 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.

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  • p. 5 …Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any time, and I recognize myself for…
  • p. 6 …The reality is, despite their enormous taxpayer-funded budgets, the transparency of the Defense Department and…
  • p. 7 …it in real time now, and Mr. Burchett will enter it into the record, but 12…
  • p. 9 …Since then, the Joint Chiefs have implemented standards for UAP reporting across the services. The intelligence…
  • p. 12 …In the time of heightened distrust of our government institutions, I believe more transparency is not…
  • p. 14 …At the time, my personnel were par- ticipating in a predeployment naval exercise off the U…
  • p. 15 …others to do the same, and it is my hope over time that a number of…
  • p. 17 …and help restore the American public’s trust at a time when the public’s trust…
  • p. 18 …authorization for some time, quite possibly decades. Furthermore, these individuals have revealed the name of an…
  • p. 19 …The Pentagon, the intelligence community is treating us like chil- dren. It is time for us…
  • p. 23 …That is a crazy idea, right? The hypocrisy and the logic. OK. Mr. Shellenberger, I am…
  • p. 24 …And the more extraordinary those discoveries, the more extraordinary those new beliefs, it is very difficult…
  • p. 26 …of the deep state since you worked in government for a long period of time. But…
  • p. 29 …working with former leadership of AARO at the time as well. Mr. BURCHETT. And we punish…
  • p. 36 …the human body can withstand about 9 g-forces for a short period of time be…
  • p. 37 …on the panel. So, just real quick, because I am running out of time. Lue? Mr…
  • p. 39 …just briefly, as I close my time, explain why the UAP Disclosure Act would be critical…
  • p. 40 …I think at the time when this first—this reality became evident to the U.S…
  • p. 41 37 There is also, then, the philosophical argument that the Depart- ment of Defense and the…
  • p. 42 …the government, as well as the inability to get people classifica- tions in a timely and…
  • p. 43 …The problem is, the supposed collection of these biologi- cal samples occurred before my time, in…
  • p. 45 …To the rest of the panel, was the Wall Street Jour- nal article the first time…
  • p. 46 …I am running out of time. The last thing is that we need authori- ties. Law…
  • p. 48 …Nothing beyond what is in the report and then the specific case that I mentioned with…
  • p. 50 …be like us, and every time we look out into the universe, we are humbled relative…
  • p. 51 …any- where in the world. So, Mr. Ogles, you are just in time, babe. I will…
  • p. 52 …This UAP issue may be the greatest issue of our time, and it is being hid…
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UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA:
EXPOSING THE TRUTH
Wednesday, November 13, 2024
U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY
SUBCOMMITTEE ON CYBERSECURITY, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY,
AND GOVERNMENT INNOVATION
JOINTLY, WITH THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, THE BORDER, AND FOREIGN
AFFAIRS
Washington, D.C.
The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 11:37 a.m., in
room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Nancy Mace
[Chairwoman of the Subcommittee] presiding.
Present: Representatives Mace, Grothman, Timmons, Burchett,
Higgins, Luna, Biggs, Burlison, Perry, Garcia, Lynch, Moskowitz,
Porter, and Frost.
Also present: Representatives Boebert and Ogles.
Ms. MACE. Good morning. This joint hearing of the Sub-
committee on Cybersecurity, Information Technology, and Govern-
ment Innovation, and the Subcommittee on National Security, the
Border, and Foreign Affairs will come to order.
Good morning and welcome everyone.
Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any time,
and I recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening state-
ment right now.
Good morning and welcome to today’s historic hearing, which I
am co-chairing with Mr. Grothman whose subcommittee held an
important hearing on this topic last year.
I want to thank my colleagues and the Oversight Committee, in-
cluding Mr. Burchett, Mr. Burlison, Mrs. Luna, Mr. Moskowitz, Mr.
Garcia, for their relentless drive to get answers on UAPs. They
have been steadfast in demanding transparency on the sightings
reported by military pilots and armed forces. Their commitment to
digging for the truth is exactly what this country needs to cut
through the secrecy surrounding this issue.
And many high-ranking individuals in the military and intel-
ligence communities believe UAPs demand greater attention, and
thus the purpose for this hearing today.

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