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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2024-11-13 · 52 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.

  • p. 4 …Luis Elizondo, Author, and Former Department of Defense Official Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11 Mr. Michael Shellenberger, Founder…
  • p. 6 …The reality is, despite their enormous taxpayer-funded budgets, the transparency of the Defense Department and…
  • p. 9 …First, the Department of Defense Inspector General’s Office in- formed us that the Department of…
  • p. 13 …Luis Elizondo, a former Department of Defense official and author of a recent bestseller book about…
  • p. 15 …STATEMENT OF LUIS ELIZONDO AUTHOR FORMER DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE OFFICIAL Mr. ELIZONDO. Greetings, Chairwoman Mace, Chairman…
  • p. 16 …both the Department of Defense and the intelligence community Inspector General, and many of us have…
  • p. 23 …I did not specify that they were Defense Department employees. I did not specify the agency…
  • p. 25 …I will say the Department of Defense. Unfortu- nately, I cannot say in this forum much…
  • p. 26 …all Members of Congress? In your expertise, what reason would the Department of Defense possibly have…
  • p. 27 …Given your experience with the Department of Defense and the intelligence community, how frequently are UAP…
  • p. 28 …of the big issues that we have in the intel- ligence community and Department of Defense…
  • p. 29 …Are there classified Department of Defense mate- rials related to UAPs that you believe could be…
  • p. 31 …Elizondo describe psychological operations for those contacting the Department of Defense about UAPs. You men- tioned…
  • p. 32 …So, you are talking about the Department of Defense, sources from within the Department of Defense…
  • p. 33 …USAP was actually managed by the Department of Defense but held at the White House. Mr…
  • p. 41 37 There is also, then, the philosophical argument that the Depart- ment of Defense and the…
  • p. 42 …Pentagon, by the Department of Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review. And it states that…
  • p. 44 …Part of my concern is, we have something in the Department of Defense and the intelligence…
  • p. 47 …Hill of a secretive project within the Department of Defense involving the manipula- tion of human…
  • p. 51 …I do have questions, what role might the Department of En- ergy or its subsidiaries or…
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UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA:
EXPOSING THE TRUTH
Wednesday, November 13, 2024
U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY
SUBCOMMITTEE ON CYBERSECURITY, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY,
AND GOVERNMENT INNOVATION
JOINTLY, WITH THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, THE BORDER, AND FOREIGN
AFFAIRS
Washington, D.C.
The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 11:37 a.m., in
room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Nancy Mace
[Chairwoman of the Subcommittee] presiding.
Present: Representatives Mace, Grothman, Timmons, Burchett,
Higgins, Luna, Biggs, Burlison, Perry, Garcia, Lynch, Moskowitz,
Porter, and Frost.
Also present: Representatives Boebert and Ogles.
Ms. MACE. Good morning. This joint hearing of the Sub-
committee on Cybersecurity, Information Technology, and Govern-
ment Innovation, and the Subcommittee on National Security, the
Border, and Foreign Affairs will come to order.
Good morning and welcome everyone.
Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any time,
and I recognize myself for the purpose of making an opening state-
ment right now.
Good morning and welcome to today’s historic hearing, which I
am co-chairing with Mr. Grothman whose subcommittee held an
important hearing on this topic last year.
I want to thank my colleagues and the Oversight Committee, in-
cluding Mr. Burchett, Mr. Burlison, Mrs. Luna, Mr. Moskowitz, Mr.
Garcia, for their relentless drive to get answers on UAPs. They
have been steadfast in demanding transparency on the sightings
reported by military pilots and armed forces. Their commitment to
digging for the truth is exactly what this country needs to cut
through the secrecy surrounding this issue.
And many high-ranking individuals in the military and intel-
ligence communities believe UAPs demand greater attention, and
thus the purpose for this hearing today.

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