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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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44 Mr. SHELLENBERGER. Nothing beyond what is in the report and then the specific case that I mentioned with the orbs. Ms. BOEBERT. So, this report says it all; there is no other infor- mation that we are aware of regarding the activity within our waters? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I have other sources that have told me— that have shared a significant amount of information, but they are not comfortable with me sharing it at this point. Ms. BOEBERT. OK. Are there any technological capabilities observed in these oceanic UAPs that seem to defy our current understanding of physics or our engineering capabilities? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. It seems like they all do. Ms. BOEBERT. Yes. I would agree with that. And my time is up, but I do appreciate your bravery, your cour- age for coming here and speaking today. And it seems like there is still some questions that we need an- swers to, and we will not relent until we get those to the American people. Thank you all. Ms. MACE. Thank you. I move to allow myself and the Ranking Member 5 additional minutes for questions. Without objection, so ordered. Mr. Elizondo, were you read in to the Immaculate Constellation program? Mr. ELIZONDO. Ma’am, I would not be authorized to confirm nor deny the existence of any ongoing or past program, especially as it relates to a special access program, either by name or trigraph. Ms. MACE. OK. And then, does the U.S. Government or private contractors, do they work with other foreign countries—China, for example—to ex- change data, quote, ‘‘from a source,’’ that intelligence data, about UAP? Mr. ELIZONDO. Let me see if I can answer that a little bit more generally, ma’am, if I may. Ms. MACE. Uh-huh. Mr. ELIZONDO. We do have foreign materiel exploitation pro- grams. That is something that is widely known, and that term itself is unclassified. How exactly that works becomes a bit sen- sitive. It is a discussion we could certainly have in a closed session if you would like. We do work with international partners and allies quite often, not just in military exercises and workups but in other intelligence efforts as well. Ms. MACE. In terms of material, that is given to private contrac- tors, is certain material given to certain contractors because of their experience? So, for example, if it is related to submerged and undersea propulsion, would it go to a general contractor like Gen- eral Dynamics? Mr. ELIZONDO. Yes, ma’am, absolutely correct. Different contrac- tors have different levels of expertise—— Ms. MACE. What is Lockheed’s expertise? Mr. ELIZONDO. Aerospace, ma’am.
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