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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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43 Are there any known instances of recovered materials or tech- nologies that are not of human origin and may be connected to any advanced bioscience defense programs within the USG? Dr. GALLAUDET. I do not know. Mr. ELIZONDO. I would not be able to answer that, ma’am. Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I do not know. Mr. GOLD. I do not know. Ms. BOEBERT. OK. So, there are rumors that have come up to the Hill of a secretive project within the Department of Defense involving the manipula- tion of human genetics with what is described as ‘‘nonhuman ge- netic material’’ potentially for the enhancement of human capabili- ties—hybrids. Are any of you familiar with that, yes or no? Dr. GALLAUDET. No, ma’am. Mr. ELIZONDO. I am not, ma’am. Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I am not. Mr. GOLD. No, ma’am. Ms. BOEBERT. OK. I would like to know, with Immaculate Constellation, how does this relate to UAP activities, Mr. Shellenberger, in oceanic environ- ments? Are there any instances where the Navy or other maritime forces have encountered UAPs that could not be explained by known technology or natural phenomena? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. Yes, the Immaculate Constellation covers both terrestrial and oceanic, and there is actually a number of cases described in the report that occur in the ocean. Ms. BOEBERT. And do you believe that there is a concerted effort by the Pentagon to keep Congress out of the loop regarding these UAP activities specifically in our waters? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. Yes. Ms. BOEBERT. I think it is about five percent of our ocean that has actually been studied in detail by man, and we have studied more of space than we have of our own oceans. And so, are there any accounts of UAPs emerging from or sub- merging into our water, which could indicate a base or presence be- neath the ocean’s surface? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I do not know about a base, but, you know, as I mentioned, I had a different source entirely describe this pret- ty extraordinary footage that exists of orbs—of an orb coming out of the ocean and being met by another orb. Ms. BOEBERT. Some would say that there is multiple hotspots where we see frequent activity. So, in your investigations, have you come across any data or vis- ual evidence like sonar readings or underwater footage of these UAPs? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I have not beyond what is in the report. Ms. BOEBERT. You have written about UAPs not only in the air but in underwater. Are there any specifics on what you have learned about the UAP activity in our oceans? Particularly, have you spoken with sources who have provided any evidence or eye- witness accounts of these UAPs interacting with our Naval forces or being detected by our underwater surveillance systems?
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