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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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40 I think the same goes with this. We have these things that are being observed over controlled U.S. airspace, and they are not real- ly doing a good job of hiding themselves. They are making it pretty obvious they have the ability to even interfere with our nuclear eq- uities and our nuclear readiness. Mr. BURLISON. Is the U.S. Government and our contractors, are they pulling, you know, technology from this? Are they reverse-en- gineering this? Mr. ELIZONDO. Sir, as I previously stated—and please forgive me—I am not authorized to discuss specifics about crash retrievals. Again, I signed documentation with the U.S. Government. What I can say was, after a very thorough review process by the Pentagon, what I wrote about. And that was my limit, unfortu- nately, that I was given. Mr. BURLISON. Thank you. Mr. ELIZONDO. Yes, sir. Ms. MACE. Thank you. I would now like to recognize Mr. Timmons for 5 minutes of questioning. Mr. TIMMONS. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Elizondo, you just said something interesting. You said, they do not seem to be hiding. They do not seem to be hiding. The UAP sightings are becoming increasingly brash, if you will. And, you know, we have been hearing about these for years, but they have generally been isolated and not as consistent and over critical military installations. Would you say that’s fair? Is this becoming increasingly—is it happening more and more? Mr. ELIZONDO. Great question, sir. Let me see if I can answer this for you. Certainly, there seems to be some indication that they are being provocative, meaning that they are in some cases literally splitting aircraft formations right down the middle. So, that is an air safety issue. The question is, is the frequency increasing? And, really, the re- sponse is, it depends. Yes, it is possible that there is an increase in frequency, but it is also possible that there is heightened aware- ness now, and there is also more pervasiveness of technology out there that is collecting this information and that can record this in- formation. So, we are not quite sure yet if it is actually an increase in num- bers of these events or is it that we have better equipment now to record these things and we have a better ability, if you will, to ana- lyze these things and—— Mr. TIMMONS. And that is my next question. It seems that a lot of these sightings occur near military installations. Do you think that these UAPs are intentionally targeting military installations, or do you think that we have increased abilities to monitor sur- rounding military installations? Mr. ELIZONDO. Sir, it may be both. Part of my concern is, we have something in the Department of Defense and the intelligence community called IPB, initial prepara- tions of the battlespace. And we use equities like ISR—intelligence,
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