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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2024-11-13 · 52 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.

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  • p. 5 …Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any time, and I recognize myself for…
  • p. 6 …The reality is, despite their enormous taxpayer-funded budgets, the transparency of the Defense Department and…
  • p. 7 …it in real time now, and Mr. Burchett will enter it into the record, but 12…
  • p. 9 …Since then, the Joint Chiefs have implemented standards for UAP reporting across the services. The intelligence…
  • p. 12 …In the time of heightened distrust of our government institutions, I believe more transparency is not…
  • p. 14 …At the time, my personnel were par- ticipating in a predeployment naval exercise off the U…
  • p. 15 …others to do the same, and it is my hope over time that a number of…
  • p. 17 …and help restore the American public’s trust at a time when the public’s trust…
  • p. 18 …authorization for some time, quite possibly decades. Furthermore, these individuals have revealed the name of an…
  • p. 19 …The Pentagon, the intelligence community is treating us like chil- dren. It is time for us…
  • p. 23 …That is a crazy idea, right? The hypocrisy and the logic. OK. Mr. Shellenberger, I am…
  • p. 24 …And the more extraordinary those discoveries, the more extraordinary those new beliefs, it is very difficult…
  • p. 26 …of the deep state since you worked in government for a long period of time. But…
  • p. 29 …working with former leadership of AARO at the time as well. Mr. BURCHETT. And we punish…
  • p. 36 …the human body can withstand about 9 g-forces for a short period of time be…
  • p. 37 …on the panel. So, just real quick, because I am running out of time. Lue? Mr…
  • p. 39 …just briefly, as I close my time, explain why the UAP Disclosure Act would be critical…
  • p. 40 …I think at the time when this first—this reality became evident to the U.S…
  • p. 41 37 There is also, then, the philosophical argument that the Depart- ment of Defense and the…
  • p. 42 …the government, as well as the inability to get people classifica- tions in a timely and…
  • p. 43 …The problem is, the supposed collection of these biologi- cal samples occurred before my time, in…
  • p. 45 …To the rest of the panel, was the Wall Street Jour- nal article the first time…
  • p. 46 …I am running out of time. The last thing is that we need authori- ties. Law…
  • p. 48 …Nothing beyond what is in the report and then the specific case that I mentioned with…
  • p. 50 …be like us, and every time we look out into the universe, we are humbled relative…
  • p. 51 …any- where in the world. So, Mr. Ogles, you are just in time, babe. I will…
  • p. 52 …This UAP issue may be the greatest issue of our time, and it is being hid…
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C O N T E N T S
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Hearing held on November 13, 2024 ...................................................................... 1
WITNESSES
Dr. Tim Gallaudet, Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (RET.), Chief Executive Officer,
Ocean STL Consulting, LLC
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 9
Mr. Luis Elizondo, Author, and Former Department of Defense Official
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11
Mr. Michael Shellenberger, Founder of Public
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 13
Mr. Michael Gold, Former NASA Associate Administrator of Space Policy
and Partnerships, Member of NASA UAP Independent Study Team
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 16
Opening statements and the prepared statements for the witnesses are avail-
able in the U.S. House of Representatives Repository at: docs.house.gov.
INDEX OF DOCUMENTS
* Mellon Hearing Letter; submitted by Rep. Mace.
* Documents related to UAPs; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Report, Pentagon, ‘‘Immaculate Constellation’’; submitted by Rep. Mace.
* Questions for the Record: to Mr. Elizondo; submitted by Rep. Burlison.
* Questions for the Record: to Dr. Gallaudet; submitted by Rep. Burlison.
* Questions for the Record: to Mr. Shellenberger; submitted by Rep.
Burlison.
* Questions for the Record: to Mr. Gold; submitted by Rep. Burlison.
The documents listed above are available at: docs.house.gov.

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