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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2024-11-13 · 52 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.

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  • p. 7 …We are all reading it in real time now, and Mr. Burchett will enter it into…
  • p. 13 …Let me remind the witnesses that we have read your written statements, and they will appear…
  • p. 14 …The email was addressed to all the subordinate commanders, and the subject line read, in all…
  • p. 22 …Are you read into secret UAP crash retrieval programs? Mr. ELIZONDO. We would have to have…
  • p. 26 …Omaha incident in greater detail? I have read your background, right. Some people would label you…
  • p. 32 …And let me just state for the record, I never read the report that—or the…
  • p. 37 …nesses—and I had a chance to read all the testimony before. But just to set…
  • p. 40 …No, I did not, sir, because I inferred, since I had been read in to other…
  • p. 41 …But I just want to read a couple things from Mr. Shellenberger’s—what he gave…
  • p. 45 …Just from what I read in the news. Mr. TIMMONS. Just from what you have read…
  • p. 47 …data or vis- ual evidence like sonar readings or underwater footage of these UAPs? Mr. SHELLENBERGER…
  • p. 48 …Elizondo, were you read in to the Immaculate Constellation program? Mr. ELIZONDO. Ma’am, I would…
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C O N T E N T S
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Hearing held on November 13, 2024 ...................................................................... 1
WITNESSES
Dr. Tim Gallaudet, Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (RET.), Chief Executive Officer,
Ocean STL Consulting, LLC
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 9
Mr. Luis Elizondo, Author, and Former Department of Defense Official
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11
Mr. Michael Shellenberger, Founder of Public
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 13
Mr. Michael Gold, Former NASA Associate Administrator of Space Policy
and Partnerships, Member of NASA UAP Independent Study Team
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 16
Opening statements and the prepared statements for the witnesses are avail-
able in the U.S. House of Representatives Repository at: docs.house.gov.
INDEX OF DOCUMENTS
* Mellon Hearing Letter; submitted by Rep. Mace.
* Documents related to UAPs; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Report, Pentagon, ‘‘Immaculate Constellation’’; submitted by Rep. Mace.
* Questions for the Record: to Mr. Elizondo; submitted by Rep. Burlison.
* Questions for the Record: to Dr. Gallaudet; submitted by Rep. Burlison.
* Questions for the Record: to Mr. Shellenberger; submitted by Rep.
Burlison.
* Questions for the Record: to Mr. Gold; submitted by Rep. Burlison.
The documents listed above are available at: docs.house.gov.

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