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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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35 Mr. GOLD. The Aviation Safety Reporting System is an existing system that is trusted, that has taken hundreds of thousands, now millions, of cases. And, again, recognizing budgetary constraints, this seems like the perfect way to be able to gain more data. And when it comes to the stigma, sir, it is something that pilots are used to reporting on, that crew is used to reporting on. So, it is a great way to get data, to overcome the stigma, without spending really that much more additional money since the system exists. Thank you so much for your support of that. Thank you for what Ryan Graves does. This is a commonsense means to expose the truth of UAP for the purpose of this hearing. Mr. GARCIA. Thank you. And I just want to also add: Now, earlier this year, as part of the House defense authorization bill, the NDAA, I had filed an amendment to include the UAP Disclosure Act, which would create a UAP Records Review Board with exercise of eminent domain over UAP-related material, modeled actually on the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act, which is widely known. Now, the amend- ment was blocked, but thankfully the Senate included the amend- ment by Senators Rounds and Schumer for the UAP Disclosure Act. So, I just again want to say that we should be pushing and en- suring the UAP Disclosure Act, which is bipartisan in its support, should move forward. And if I can just briefly also—particularly, Admiral, can you just briefly, as I close my time, explain why the UAP Disclosure Act would be critical for us and our national security? Dr. GALLAUDET. Thank you, Congressman. Yes, I believe the UAP Disclosure Act is important for national security; as well as advancing potential socioeconomic benefits re- sulting from UAP research; as well as public safety, as we referred to previously, regarding aviation. And this act will allow for greater transparency and open re- search. And that is why I am also a member of the UAP Discloser Fund as an advisor and the Sol Foundation as a senior strategic advisor, which is advocating the same. Mr. GARCIA. Thank you very much. I yield back. Ms. MACE. All right. Thank you. I would like to recognize Mr. Biggs for 5 minutes of questioning. Mr. BIGGS. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for holding this Committee. Thank you to the witnesses. Admiral, the video that is called the ‘‘Go Fast’’ video, the email that you have talked about being deleted, I just want to briefly cover this. You said that the email—the author was asking whether any of the recipients were aware of the classified technology demonstra- tions that could explain the objects that were observed. And then you said the email disappears; then you guys have a series of meet- ings; the Commander of Fleet Forces and his operations officer never discussed the incident again. Is that accurate?
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