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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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34 Dr. GALLAUDET. Strong evidence that they are nonhuman higher intelligence. Mr. ELIZONDO. I echo my colleague’s comment, sir. Mr. SHELLENBERGER. Genuinely do not know. Mr. GOLD. Do not know, but we must find out. Mr. GARCIA. OK. Thank you. I appreciate those answers, gentle- men. I think this is obviously another remarkable hearing with just really important information, so I thank all of you for answering the questions. Admiral, I just want to go back to one thing. Now, last year, our Subcommittee heard from two retired Navy pilots, Lieutenant Ryan Graves and Commander David Fravor, regarding UAPs. Actually, I think Ryan is here in the audience, and been a great person to get to know and to have conversations with. He, of course, has been involved in the Safe Airspace for Americans Act, with Chairman Graves, with Chairwoman Mace, for UAP reporting by civilian aviation personnel. Can you discuss briefly why it is important for civilian pilots to be able to report UAPs and why these legal protections are critical for our national security? Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes, Congressman. Thank you. And I did invite Ryan Graves as my guest, as I am on his advisory board for the Americans for Safe Aerospace. And that legislation, that you supported and introduced, I fully support as well. And I think it is important that more civilian pi- lots, commercial pilots report so we can better understand and learn and do research on UAP, as well as remove the stigma so more citizens report on what they observe. And, also, it will only contribute to aviation safety when we have a better understanding of where these UAP are, how they operate, and at what frequency and what capability level. So, it is important for aviation safety, and it will be important for moving science and research forward. Mr. GARCIA. Thank you, sir. And I want to just reiterate to my colleagues, I mean, this is a very bipartisan piece of legislation, and we have just got to con- tinue to get this through the Congress. And it is incredibly important that civilian pilots have the oppor- tunity to safely report the UAPs that they are seeing or encoun- tering in the air. And I cannot express how critical this piece is, of what I believe is a larger collection of evidence and facts, actu- ally happen. We have been approached by pilots, I have talked to folks that have been engaged with our office and others, and there is still enormous stigma, and essentially we do not have a system where folks are feeling free to be able to report what they are seeing. And so, I just want to reiterate that advocacy. Mr. Gold, in your testimony, you discuss NASA’s Aviation Safety Reporting System, a confidential, nonpunitive reporting mecha- nism. In the Safe Airspace for Americans Act, we explicitly allow for civilian reporting, of course, of UAPs. Can you explain why the NASA task force recommended the use of the Aviation Safety Reporting System?
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