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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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33 Mrs. LUNA. Uh-huh. Do any of you ever come across reports from people that claim to have firsthand experiences with these entities, whatever they might be, or these aircraft and then, as a result, whether or not they are religious, find that these things will automatically dis- appear? Anyone? This is open to any of you on the panel. So, just real quick, because I am running out of time. Lue? Mr. ELIZONDO. Ma’am, I have always been a nuts-and-bolts kind of guy. When I was at AATIP, I was focusing more on the perform- ance characteristics and less on the potential occupants. Mrs. LUNA. OK. The reason I ask is because it seems like, just based on our con- versations, that we have had people that say that there are good and bad of whatever these things are. And so, my concern from a national security perspective is, A, is that true? B, are you guys hearing reports of that? And, C, I think moving forward in regard to technology—Mr. Gold, if you can answer this real quickly—some of these aircraft, it seems that they are operating off of energy that we do not cur- rently have. But just yes or no, in your opinion, if we were able to obtain that, would that impact humanity for the better or negative? Mr. GOLD. It would certainly save us some money on funding on Artemis. And—— Mrs. LUNA. Definitely. Mr. GOLD [continuing]. This is a national security issue, that if there is such technology out there, we are not the only country that might have access to it. We do not want to be on the wrong end of technological surprise. Mrs. LUNA. OK. Thank you guys for your time. Ms. MACE. All right. Thank you. I will now recognize Mr. Garcia for 5 minutes. Mr. GARCIA. Thank you. And I apologize for stepping out. My Governor is here, upstairs. So, I am going, trying to get in between meetings, so apologize for that. I want to just start by just asking everyone on the panel, our wit- nesses—and I had a chance to read all the testimony before. But just to set the agenda, just if you can go down real briefly, do you believe, just for the record, that the Federal Government, any part of the Federal Government, is knowingly concealing evidence about UAPs from the public? Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes, sir. Mr. ELIZONDO. One hundred percent. Mr. SHELLENBERGER. Yes. Mr. GOLD. Yes. Mr. GARCIA. Thank you. I also want to just go down the line—and I know many of you have already said this, but I just—for the record, again, just brief- ly: What do you believe UAPs could be or are?
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