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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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32 during a storm. And it outpaced his submarine by orders of mag- nitude. Mrs. LUNA. Are you aware of any hotspots that currently exist off our shores in North America? Dr. GALLAUDET. Not with sufficiently credible data, ma’am. Mrs. LUNA. OK. We have heard reports of there potentially being hotspots, maybe entry and exit points. Have you heard of any of that? Dr. GALLAUDET. I have not, ma’am, but my colleague here, Mr. Elizondo, does discuss some USO activity that he has observed in certain DoD data bases. Mrs. LUNA. Mr. Elizondo, in regard to these aircraft being piloted by whatever they might be—nonhuman biologics—would you agree that it is likely that they are being piloted by some mind-body con- nection? Mr. ELIZONDO. Ma’am, I think it is safe to presume here that they are being intelligently controlled, because they in some cases seem to anticipate our maneuvers, and in other cases they seem to—and I came across an email where the word ‘‘stalked’’ was used, in a—it was a very secure email between Navy officers discussing their ships being pursued by a UAP. Mrs. LUNA. In our previous panel, we had Grusch, and he had testified to say that some of these were interdimensional beings. Can you speak on that at all? Mr. ELIZONDO. Ma’am, I am not qualified, certainly as a scientist or otherwise, to speculate points of origin. I look at everything from a scientific perspective. So, if you look at, for example, instantaneous acceleration, which was one of the observables of the program that I belonged to, AATIP, the human body can withstand about 9 g-forces for a short period of time be- fore you suffer negative biological consequences—blackouts and ul- timately red-outs and even death. In comparison, our best technology, the F–16, which is one of— it is an older platform but one of our most highly maneuverable aircraft, manned aircraft, made by General Dynamics, can perform at about 17 or 18 g-forces before you start having structural fail- ure, meaning that the airframe begins to disintegrate while you are flying. The vehicles we are talking about are performing in excess of 1,000, 2,000, 3,000 Gs. Mrs. LUNA. So, are you—I guess, would it be safe to infer that they are living craft? Mr. ELIZONDO. You know, I am not prepared at this point to state for the record is something alive or not, because even that definition—sorry, there was a time in science where we thought that life required oxygen, and we now know that is not true. There are anaerobic bacteria that thrive in environments that lack oxy- gen. And, also, same with photosynthesis. When I was in college, I was told everything is derived from photosynthesis as a form of en- ergy. In reality, that is not true. There are things that live off of chemosynthesis. So, we are constantly having to reevaluate our understanding of what the definition of ‘‘life’’ is.
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