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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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27 Mr. BURCHETT. Well, I do not exactly know how fast a torpedo is, but I expect it does better than my old outboard Scott-Atwater, so I will take that as a yes. Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes, sir. Mr. BURCHETT. OK. Have you any experience with the All-domain Anomaly Resolu- tion Office, AARO? Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes, Congressman. As I mentioned previously, I have met with them. Mr. BURCHETT. OK. You heard Mr. Elizondo describe psychological operations for those contacting the Department of Defense about UAPs. You men- tioned a similar influence operation by AARO. Why are Federal agencies invested in running information oper- ations about UAPs if they do not exist? Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes, sir. But I will make a statement on AARO’s behalf. They have new leadership. The office has reached out to me to meet again, and I take that as a good-faith effort. And we will see where that goes. Mr. BURCHETT. Thank you. Chairlady, I have run over. Thank you. Ms. MACE. Thank you, Mr. Tennessee. I would now like to recognize Mr. Higgins. Mr. BURCHETT. That is a first for me. Ms. MACE. You are the king of Tennessee. Mr. Higgins, you are recognized for 5 minutes of questions. Mr. HIGGINS. Thank you, Madam Chair. Mr. Elizondo, Mr. Shellenberger notes in his—in the report that we have been given for this hearing—I believe, Mr. Shellenberger— let me shift—you are author of this report? Mr. ELIZONDO. I am sorry, sir, I am not the author of—— Mr. HIGGINS. Mr. Shellenberger, were you the author of this re- port? There is—— Mr. SHELLENBERGER. No, I was not. Mr. HIGGINS [continuing]. No name on it. Mr. SHELLENBERGER. No. Mr. HIGGINS. Do you know the author? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I do. Mr. HIGGINS. You do. And how would you estimate that madam or gentleman, the author? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. The person is a current or former U.S. Gov- ernment employee. Mr. HIGGINS. And it states here that it is the public version of the author’s report. Mr. SHELLENBERGER. Yes. Mr. HIGGINS. So, where might one find the non-public version of the author’s report? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I do not know the answer to that. Mr. HIGGINS. Would that be with the Department of Defense? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I do not know. Mr. HIGGINS. But you do know the author. Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I do. Mr. HIGGINS. Do you know what the author’s sources were?
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