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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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26 Admiral Gallaudet, you mentioned in your opening statement an email you received from the operations officer of the Fleet Forces Command regarding unknown objects almost colliding with U.S. military planes. Did anyone respond with knowledge of what the objects were? Dr. GALLAUDET. I have received no response, sir. Mr. BURCHETT. Did the operation—did the exercise get canceled? Dr. GALLAUDET. The exercise did not get canceled. Mr. BURCHETT. Why do you think the Commander of Fleet Forces operations officer never discussed the incident again? Dr. GALLAUDET. Sir, I am speculating, because I did not have an exchange with him, but I believed it to be part of a special access program, the information and the video, which we know now it was. And he realized he could not share that openly with the re- cipients of the email, and, therefore, the email was pulled from everybody’s account. Mr. BURCHETT. Again, tell us what happened to the email from the Commander of Fleet Forces. Dr. GALLAUDET. The day after I received it and all the other re- cipients received it—which were all the subordinate commanders of U.S. Fleet Forces, so one-and two-star admirals, including strike group commanders—the email was wiped or deleted from our ac- counts—— Mr. BURCHETT. OK. Mr. GALLAUDET [continuing]. And then no one talked about it. Mr. BURCHETT. All right. Have you specifically had any experience with submersible ob- jects? Dr. GALLAUDET. Sir, I have not—no personal experience, but I have had witnesses on submarines come to me and say they have seen on sonar data—— Mr. BURCHETT. Correct. Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes. Mr. BURCHETT. OK. How would you characterize those, and how did they move? Dr. GALLAUDET. The one instance that I was—that was revealed to me was in the 1980’s on a nuclear-powered submarine, a bal- listic missile submarine, that the object exhibited the characteris- tics of a Russian torpedo in terms of its speed of movement and closing rate with the submarine. And then it slowed and followed the submarine slowly in its wake for a period of minutes and then rapidly exited the scene. Mr. BURCHETT. OK. Dr. GALLAUDET. And nothing that we know of technology-wise could replicate that. Mr. BURCHETT. And the speed of these objects was faster than anything that we have or anybody else has that would be manned. Is that correct? Dr. GALLAUDET. It was on the order of a—— Mr. BURCHETT. Underwater. Dr. GALLAUDET [continuing]. Torpedo, so—— Mr. BURCHETT. Yes, sir. Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes, sir. But as it exited, it did——
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