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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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22 Mr. ELIZONDO. It was an option, but they probably would not have allowed me to because the document itself was pretty explicit about you have to be—you are putting me in an interesting—let me try to thread the needle here. There are certain documents that we have in the U.S. Govern- ment that allow people to have access to certain programs, whether it is a specialized—I am being very generic here—whether it is a special access program or controlled access program, SAP, CAP, whatnot. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. How many people have to sign that document? Mr. ELIZONDO. It depends how many people are going to get ac- cess to the information, sir. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. OK. Last question. Doctor, real quick, can you tell us about the Omaha incident in greater detail? I have read your background, right. Some people would label you as a member of the deep state since you worked in government for a long period of time. But can you tell us more about that incident? You have written a lot about that. Dr. GALLAUDET. I wrote a lot about incidents like it, Congress- man, but that specific incident involved the USS Omaha, the tour combat ship of the U.S. Navy operating off of Southern California. I do not remember the exact date. It was within the last decade, but what the watch standers on the bridge observed was a UAP. Again, something that was aloft but had no observable exhaust or control surfaces. So, it was something that could not be explained. And then they saw it enter the water from the atmosphere and going through the air/sea interface and so, thus, exhibiting transmedium travel. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. Thank you. I yield back. Ms. MACE. Thank you. I will now recognize Mr. Grothman for 5 minutes of questioning. Mr. GROTHMAN. Yes, we will start with Mr. Gallaudet. During a previous UAP hearing, Navy Commander David Fravor discussed the Tic Tac object engaged in 2004. Are you familiar with the inci- dent, the Tic Tac incident? Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes, sir. Mr. GROTHMAN. That is almost 20 years ago, right? Dr. GALLAUDET. Yes, sir. Mr. GROTHMAN. It has been said there are more videos, docu- ments, and reports related to this incident. Do you believe the in- formation regarding the Tic Tac incident should be available to all Members of Congress? In your expertise, what reason would the Department of Defense possibly have for not releasing information that is over 20 years old? Dr. GALLAUDET. Thank you, Congressman. I do not think there is any good reason to withhold information and important data, especially of a national security concern, from Congress. Mr. GROTHMAN. Well, what would they say?
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