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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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19 Mr. ELIZONDO. Ma’am, that is a great question. That is why I think we are here again, because I have seen the documentation by the U.S. Government for several of these individuals who have sustained injuries as a result of a UAP incident. Ms. MACE. That is a crazy idea, right? The hypocrisy and the logic. OK. Mr. Shellenberger, I am going to say it again to be very clear. Immaculate Constellation. What is its mission, and how are they funded? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. Its mission is to—as I stated, its mission is to—it is an unacknowledged special access program. Its mission is to document UAPs. Ms. MACE. OK. And do you, for your story and your report, do you have more than one credible source, sourcing? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I do. Ms. MACE. OK. Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I do. Ms. MACE. And then why do you believe your sources to be cred- ible? How do you judge the veracity of the documentation you have been provided about this program? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I checked the sources, and they are who they say they are. They are current or former government officials. I should also—I want to also add that I did not specify that they were Defense Department employees. I did not specify the agency nor the gender. Ms. MACE. Would they have included non-government employees, people that are not employed by the government? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. These are—I am comfortable saying that these are government or previously government employees. Ms. MACE. Any of them currently employed by a private con- tractor or private contractors? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I would rather not say. Ms. MACE. OK. What is the key takeaway, in just a few seconds, about the Im- maculate Constellation document you provided us today? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I think that what the American people need to know is that the U.S. military and intelligence community are sitting on a huge amount of visual and other information, still photos, video photos, other censor information, and they have for a very long time, and it is not those fuzzy photos and videos that we have been given, there is very clear—— Ms. MACE. High res? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. High resolution. Ms. MACE. How many visuals, graphics, videos, photos? Mr. SHELLENBERGER. I mean, I have been told hundreds, you know, maybe thousands. I mean, I also wanted to say, because there was some conversa- tion around concern around the reviewing of these materials re- vealing the source collections, but some of these are shot from heli- copters using normal videos of oceans. I just think that is absurd that somehow you are going to be revealing some secret U.S. tech- nology by revealing that you photographed orbs off the coast of Ku- wait.
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