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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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15 And, since my reporting on this Immaculate Constellation last month, another source came forward who told me that they saw a roughly 13-minute long, high-definition, full-color video of a white orb UAP coming out of the ocean approximately 20 miles off the coast of Kuwait. It was filmed from a helicopter. Then, halfway through the video, the person said the orb is joined by another orb that briefly comes into the frame from the left before rapidly moving again out of the frame. The person dis- covered the video on SIPR, the Secure Internet Protocol Router Network, which the DoD uses to transmit classified information. A leading UAP researcher who utilizes the Freedom of Informa- tion Act to find out what the government knows, John Greenewald, told me last year that the U.S. Government had been increasingly denying his request for UAP information. He has been doing FOIA requests for 27 years and has an archive of 3 million pages. The government has for decades denied any interest in UFOs. He told me that the documents that he has assembled showed that be- hind the scenes, it was a completely different story. Contrary to the hopes of many advocates of transparency, the government has been restricting more information since the leak of three UAP videos in 2017. The DoD organization, AARO, has been labeling many documents with a B7 exemption, which Greenewald says does not make any sense. They are stating that anything AARO does is involved in a law enforcement investigation, which allows AARO to not release it. Greenewald says that DoD has denied the existence of UAP and AATIP-related records on multiple occasions, only to acknowledge them after an appeal was filed. He added that the Naval Air Sys- tems Command in March 2022 stated they found no additional UAP videos. It seems strange that they had three and only those three, but other requests have been filed by The Black Vault—that is John Greenewald’s group—to seek out more places UAPs might be hiding. Then, in September 2022, the Navy admitted that the UAP-re- lated videos and photographs existed but denied the request in full for their release saying that the requested videos contain sensitive information that are classified and exempt from disclosure. The DoD will ‘‘deny things on a Monday and then admit to it on a Friday,’’ said Greenewald. He said the government can and does release videos that protect secret methods of capturing it. They fall back on the sensitive platform excuse a lot, he said. However, the on-screen information can be blurred and scrubbed. The metadata can be removed. I will show you this example here. This is a presentation from the UAP task force. This is completely absurd. It is nuts, this level of censorship, of redaction on a document. It shows the redaction of how many reports they have collected for how many years. Two of the three potential explanations are blacked out. The Pentagon, the intelligence community is treating us like chil- dren. It is time for us to know the truth about this. I think that we can handle it. Thank you very much. Ms. MACE. Thank you. I would now like to recognize Mr. Gold for 5 minutes.
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