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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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13 ment of Energy, and others play a role, but no one seems to be in charge, leading to unchecked power and corruption. Second, we need a national UAP strategy that will promote transparency and help restore the American public’s trust at a time when the public’s trust is at an all-time low. This strategy should include a whole-of-government approach, including the academic and scientific communities, the private sector, and our inter- national partners and allies. Third, Congress should create a protected environment so whis- tleblowers desperate to do the right thing can come forward with- out fear. As it currently stands, these whistleblowers suffer because of stigma, a code of silence, and concerns about retaliation. These whistleblowers should be encouraged to come forward in ways that protect them against any forms of retaliation. Policies and procedures should ensure that protection. And, for those who refuse to cooperate, it is up to the Members of this Committee and other lawyer makers to wield their subpoena power against hostile witnesses and prevent additional government funding to those UAP efforts that remain hidden from congres- sional oversight. In closing, we, as Americans, have never been afraid of a chal- lenge. In fact, we thrive on them. Whether it is eradicating polio or going to the moon, we do not run from a challenge. We take it head on. To the incoming administration in Congress, I say to you we need immediate public transparency, and this hearing is an impor- tant step on that journey. If we approach the UAP topic in the same way as we, as Americans, have met other challenges, we can restore our faith in our government institutions. Together, we can usher in a new era of accountable government and scientific discovery. I believe that we, as Americans, can han- dle the truth, and I also believe the world deserves the truth. Thank you, esteemed Members of Congress, for your time today. It is profoundly appreciated by many. Ms. MACE. Thank you. I ask unanimous consent for Representatives Ogles of Tennessee and Boebert of Colorado to be waved onto the Subcommittee for to- day’s joint Subcommittee hearing for the purpose of asking ques- tions. Without objection, so ordered. I would now like to recognize Mr. Shellenberger for his introduc- tory remarks. STATEMENT OF MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER FOUNDER PUBLIC Mr. SHELLENBERGER. Chairwoman Mace, Chairman Grothman, Ranking Member Connolly, Ranking Member Garcia, Members of the Subcommittees, thank you for inviting my testimony. One of Congress’ most important responsibilities is oversight of the executive branch, in general, and the military and intelligence community in particular. Unfortunately, there is a growing body of evidence that the U.S. Government is not being transparent about what it knows about unidentified anomalous phenomena and that
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