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This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.
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9 The first section talks about the unacknowledged special access program called Immaculate Constellation, and the second section about USG imagery intelligence. And Representative Luna just told me, if I say, ‘‘Immaculate Constellation,’’ I will be on some list. Maybe a FISA warrant. So, come at me bro, I guess. But, without objection, entered into the record. All right. So, next we will introduce our witnesses for today’s hearing. Thank you so much for being here. Our first witness is retired Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet, who re- tired from the U.S. Navy and is now the Chief Executive Officer at Ocean STL Consulting. Our second witness is Mr. Luis Elizondo, a former Department of Defense official and author of a recent bestseller book about UAPs. Our third witness is Mr. Michael Shellenberger, founder of the newsletter, Public, and author of a recent journalistic piece about special access programs, including one widely identified as Immac- ulate Constellation. I swear the staff wants me on a list. OK. And our last witness today is Mr. Michael Gold, a former NASA official who was also a member of the NASA UAP inde- pendent study team. Welcome, everyone. We are pleased to have you today. Pursuant to Committee Rule 9(g), the witnesses will please stand and raise your right hands. This is where it gets real. Do you solemnly swear to affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? [Chorus of ayes.] Ms. MACE. Let the record show that the witnesses all answered in the affirmative. We appreciate all of you being here today and look forward to your testimony. Let me remind the witnesses that we have read your written statements, and they will appear in full in the hearing record. You guys may be seated. Please limit your oral statements to 5 minutes. As a reminder, please press the button in front of you so the microphone is turned on so that everyone in the room, Members in- cluded, can hear you. When you begin to speak, the light in front of you will turn green. After 4 minutes, the light will turn yellow. When the red light comes on, your 5 minutes has expired, and we would ask that you please wrap it up. So, I will first recognize Rear Admiral Gallaudet to please begin your opening remarks. STATEMENT OF TIM GALLAUDET, PH.D. REAR ADMIRAL, U.S. NAVY (RET.) CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, OCEAN STL CONSULTING, LLC Dr. GALLAUDET. Thank you, Chairwoman Mace, Chairman Grothman, Ranking Members Connolly and Garcia, and Members
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