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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2024-11-13 · 52 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of a joint hearing held November 13, 2024 by two subcommittees of the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability, chaired by Rep. Nancy Mace. The witnesses were Tim Gallaudet, Luis Elizondo, Michael Shellenberger and Michael Gold. They addressed government secrecy, AARO's transparency, a Pentagon document on the alleged Immaculate Constellation program, threats to pilot safety, and UAP activity near nuclear and military sites. Members also discussed UAP disclosure legislation.

  • p. 5 …Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any time, and I recognize myself for…
  • p. 6 …The reality is, despite their enormous taxpayer-funded budgets, the transparency of the Defense Department and…
  • p. 7 …it in real time now, and Mr. Burchett will enter it into the record, but 12…
  • p. 9 …Since then, the Joint Chiefs have implemented standards for UAP reporting across the services. The intelligence…
  • p. 12 …In the time of heightened distrust of our government institutions, I believe more transparency is not…
  • p. 14 …At the time, my personnel were par- ticipating in a predeployment naval exercise off the U…
  • p. 15 …others to do the same, and it is my hope over time that a number of…
  • p. 17 …and help restore the American public’s trust at a time when the public’s trust…
  • p. 18 …authorization for some time, quite possibly decades. Furthermore, these individuals have revealed the name of an…
  • p. 19 …The Pentagon, the intelligence community is treating us like chil- dren. It is time for us…
  • p. 23 …That is a crazy idea, right? The hypocrisy and the logic. OK. Mr. Shellenberger, I am…
  • p. 24 …And the more extraordinary those discoveries, the more extraordinary those new beliefs, it is very difficult…
  • p. 26 …of the deep state since you worked in government for a long period of time. But…
  • p. 29 …working with former leadership of AARO at the time as well. Mr. BURCHETT. And we punish…
  • p. 36 …the human body can withstand about 9 g-forces for a short period of time be…
  • p. 37 …on the panel. So, just real quick, because I am running out of time. Lue? Mr…
  • p. 39 …just briefly, as I close my time, explain why the UAP Disclosure Act would be critical…
  • p. 40 …I think at the time when this first—this reality became evident to the U.S…
  • p. 41 37 There is also, then, the philosophical argument that the Depart- ment of Defense and the…
  • p. 42 …the government, as well as the inability to get people classifica- tions in a timely and…
  • p. 43 …The problem is, the supposed collection of these biologi- cal samples occurred before my time, in…
  • p. 45 …To the rest of the panel, was the Wall Street Jour- nal article the first time…
  • p. 46 …I am running out of time. The last thing is that we need authori- ties. Law…
  • p. 48 …Nothing beyond what is in the report and then the specific case that I mentioned with…
  • p. 50 …be like us, and every time we look out into the universe, we are humbled relative…
  • p. 51 …any- where in the world. So, Mr. Ogles, you are just in time, babe. I will…
  • p. 52 …This UAP issue may be the greatest issue of our time, and it is being hid…
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In March, AARO revealed a report on the historical record of
U.S. Government involvement with UAPs, which covered investiga-
tory efforts going back from 1945 to the present day.
Earlier this year, I joined Congressman Burchett to introduce the
UAP Transparency Act, which would require the declassification of
all documents related to UAPs, with many other Members of this
Committee.
In Fiscal Year 2024, the NDA required the National Archives
and Records Administration to establish the unidentified anony-
mous phenomena records collection. This collection will include dig-
ital copies of all unidentified UAP records that can be publicly dis-
closed.
This commitment in transparency is vitally important, and un-
necessary overclassification has led to a void of information, which
has allowed theories over the decades to foster.
When the American people and Members of Congress ask, ‘‘Are
reports of UAPs credible?’’ we are met with stonewalling, we are
met with responses of, ‘‘I cannot tell you,’’ and, in fact, we are met
with people not wanting us to have hearings; we are met with peo-
ple not wanting us to ask you questions. In fact, many of us were
told not to ask some of you certain questions on certain topics.
In the time of heightened distrust of our government institutions,
I believe more transparency is not only needed but is possible. And,
obviously, we can respect national security limits, but we also have
to provide our constituents with the information and oversight that
they have tasked us for. As part of this, government agencies must
maintain open lines of communication with Members of Congress.
And there are regular questions that Americans have. What are
UAPs? Are they real? Are they ours? How has this technology been
developed? How do they get funded? Right?
And now we have seen—this has gone from a long time ago
where you could discredit people because it is some guy living in
a Winnebago. You are able to see people now. These are pilots.
These are military. These are folks with serious backgrounds. This
has changed the face of this because now we have video.
People will have questions. We know there are advanced tech-
nology programs. Almost 15 years ago, one of those came out of
area 51 to go after Osama bin Laden. And the only reason we know
about that is because one of those helicopters was downed.
Americans have questions about whistleblowers who have come
forward to talk about retribution.
And so, I want to thank everyone for being involved today on try-
ing to get more transparency. This has been bipartisan, bicameral.
And, as we get into a new administration, the President-elect has
talked about opportunities to declassify information on UAPs, and
I hope he lives up to that promise.
And, with that, I yield back.
Ms. MACE. OK. Thank you, Mr. Moskowitz.
And I would now—Committee staff asked me to go ahead, and
I will do it, to enter into the Congressional Record this 12-page doc-
ument that Michael Shellenberger brought today that describes the
Immaculate Constellation government program. So, we will do that
now. Every Member up here has a copy of it.

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