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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2023-07-26 · 54 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.

  • p. 6 …Congress should work to ensure that knowledge is not driven by fear. Today, we are not…
  • p. 8 …We need to tell the folks at the Pentagon they work for us, daggum it. We…
  • p. 9 …In being an active-duty service member working on an airfield, I have had conversations with…
  • p. 11 …I am proud to say that this hearing builds upon bipartisan work by Members of the…
  • p. 12 …I want to thank, obviously, committee staff and their staff work- ing on this on a…
  • p. 13 …And, finally, retired Navy Commander David Fravor, squadron leader who worked as a naval aviator for…
  • p. 18 …They work with Leslie Keane, who is present today, Ralph Blumenthal and Helene Cooper to publish…
  • p. 20 …If you had one, you captured one, you reverse engineered it, you got it to work…
  • p. 21 …And so can you just briefly—you mentioned that you are working with 30 pilots right…
  • p. 22 …be an outcome that this Committee can work on. Is there anything else just for the…
  • p. 23 19 particularly by the 30 folks that you are working with, are essen- tially outside the…
  • p. 27 …To your knowledge, are NHIs working with adversarial foreign governments in either technology exchange programs or…
  • p. 29 …Grusch, as a result of your previous govern- ment work, have you met with people with…
  • p. 32 …marketplaces, and I think NASA’s work, as they work to identify and highlight specific parameters…
  • p. 33 …I have been working with the American Institute of Aero- nautics and Astronautics to help them…
  • p. 35 …hammered, but seems like it does not work the other way, right. Mr. BURCHETT. If you…
  • p. 40 …a theo- retical framework at least to work off to kind of espouse crashes. Regardless of…
  • p. 41 …did not have a FLIR system that worked. Here is what he said. They were out…
  • p. 45 …Got a Master’s from Univer- sity of Houston and I have worked in the private…
  • p. 48 …Do you have any personal knowledge of someone who has possibly been injured working on legacy…
  • p. 50 …we had at the entrance to our working area. One of these objects was completely stationary…
  • p. 51 47 exact entrance to our working areas, not only geographically but also altitude. So, it was…
  • p. 52 …I do want to thank the Committee staff on both sides for the amount of work…
  • p. 53 …the broader issue as it relates to working with our Republican counterparts on this Committee. I…
  • p. 54 …I need to compliment the folks in my office that did a lot of the work…
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Curiosity and speculation from all walks of life have generated
interest in studying what UAPs are and what threats they may
pose. I will say that when I was younger in school I read a book—
a 1966 book called ‘‘Flying Saucers Serious Business’’ and for a
while when I was a little bit younger, I thought it was the most
important issue out there.
The lack of transparency regarding UAPs, which was one of the
themes of that book—in any event, it has led to interest in study-
ing what UAPs are and what threats they pose.
The lack of transparency regarding UAPs has fueled wild specu-
lation and debate for decades, eroding public trust in the very insti-
tutions that are meant to serve and protect them as is evidenced
by the large number of people we have here.
I also want to point out in 1966, President Gerald Ford claimed
to have seen a UFO, and in 1969 in Georgia, Jimmy Carter claimed
to have seen a UFO. So, this has led Congress to establish entities
to examine UAPs.
The National Defense Authorization Act of 2022 established the
all-domain anomaly resolution officer—AARO—to conduct or to co-
ordinate efforts across the Department of Defense and other Fed-
eral agents to detect, identify, and investigate UAPs. However,
AARO’s budget remains classified, prohibiting meaningful over-
sight from Congress.
In addition to AARO’s efforts, NASA is leading an independent
study on UAPs to identify how UAP data is gathered from both ci-
vilian and government entities that can be analyzed to shed light
on the topic.
However, despite these offices being established there lies a
pressing demand for government transparency and accountability
that cannot be overlooked and that has been a problem that has
been around for 50 years.
The Biden Administration’s handling of the Chinese spy balloon
that violated U.S. air space is one example how the government is
not prepared for these. The Biden Administration’s description of
events has shown that the government continues not to be forth-
right.
Between the Chinese balloon being shot down and two UAPs
subsequently shot down following the event earlier this year the
U.S. Government spent $1.5 million in taxpayer dollars on missiles.
Yet, we have seen little clarity from the Biden Administration.
We must demand transparency from the Department of Defense,
our intelligence community, and our defense industry on the UAP
work. We are going to have some questions about that today.
Congress recognizes the subject of UAPs is multifaceted and re-
quires a careful data-driven approach. Today, we will seek clarity
from these witnesses’ testimonies as to what can be done to im-
prove reporting for military and civilians and remain committed to
objective inquiry. Congress should work to ensure that knowledge
is not driven by fear.
Today, we are not just debating the existence of UAPs. We are
deliberating on the principles that define our republic, which is a
commitment to transparency and accountability.
I look forward to hearing from our witnesses today about ways
we can improve government efficiency and openness when it comes

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