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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2023-07-26 · 54 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.

  • p. 6 …However, AARO’s budget remains classified, prohibiting meaningful over- sight from Congress. In addition to AARO…
  • p. 7 …Some have even confided in me that they have had UFO sightings of their own. Those…
  • p. 8 …Yet, from Roswell, New Mexico to the coast of Jacksonville, Flor- ida, the sightings of UAPs…
  • p. 9 …But we will hear from people who have had personal sightings rather than Pentagon bureaucrats who…
  • p. 12 …Government is aware a lot more sightings of UAPs and that they have not made that…
  • p. 14 …These sightings are not rare or isolated. They are routine. Military aircrew and commercial pilots, trained…
  • p. 15 11 was no official acknowledgement of the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings…
  • p. 21 …of them also had their own eye sightings as well of these ob- jects. Now, that…
  • p. 28 …Later in the evening, post sunset, there were reports of other sightings on base including some…
  • p. 36 …Are they required to issue any disclosure re- garding UAP sightings or do they engage in…
  • p. 43 …What percentage of UAP sightings, in your belief, go unreported by our pilots? Mr. GRAVES. This…
  • p. 46 …You know, it has been said it is prob- ably the most credible UFO sighting in…
  • p. 50 …Are there also commercial pilots who have encountered the same kind of sightings that you de…
  • p. 51 …and that was a very close visual sighting. Mr. RASKIN. And you were in one of…
  • p. 52 …available to the public to report these sightings? Mr. GRAVES. Right now I do not think…
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Obviously, I think several of us are going to look forward to get-
ting some answers in a more confidential setting. I assume some
legislation will come out of this.
Mr. BURCHETT. I apologize, Mr. Chairman. I need to compliment
the folks in my office that did a lot of the work on this. Rachel and
Noah sitting behind me here, they are very quiet and humble. But
without them this thing would not have come off like it did. So, I
apologize.
Mr. GROTHMAN. Thank you. I think we are going to want to look
into what we can do to make more of this information public. I
think there is certainly a time period after which it should always
be made public and people have been concerned about these issues,
like I said, since I was in high school.
But in any event, I would like to thank everybody who was here
sticking through the entire hearing.
Without objection, the Members will have five legislative days to
submit materials and to submit additional written questions for the
witnesses, which will be forwarded to the witnesses for their re-
sponse.
If there is no further business, without objection, the Sub-
committee stands adjourned.
[Whereupon, at 12:22 p.m., the Subcommittee was adjourned.]
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