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This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.
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41 questions answered whether it is about funding, what programs are happening, and what is out there? Mr. GRUSCH. I can give you a specific cooperative and hostile wit- ness list of specific individuals that were in those. Ms. MACE. And how soon can we get that list? Mr. GRUSCH. I am happy to provide that to you after the hearing. Ms. MACE. Super. Thank you. And I yield back. Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. Now we have Mr. Langworthy. OK. Mr. LANGWORTHY. Thank you very much. I would like to thank all of the witnesses for being here today to discuss this very unique topic and I would like to jump right into my questions, if you do not mind. Commander Fravor, can you briefly describe your background? Commander FRAVOR. Yes. I was an enlisted Marine, Naval Acad- emy graduate, Navy, flew for 18 years. Got a Master’s from Univer- sity of Houston and I have worked in the private sector for the last what now, 19—16 years, 17 years. I do a lot of defense work. Mr. LANGWORTHY. Really gold-plated credentials. Commander Fravor, we have all seen this floating Tic Tac video that you en- gaged with on November 14th, 2004. Can you briefly talk about why you were off the coast of San Diego that day? Commander FRAVOR. Yes. We were at a work up with all the bat- tle groups. So, we integrate the ships with the carrier, the airwing with the carrier, and we start working. So, we were doing an air to air defense to hone not only our skills but those of the USS Princeton when they had been tracking them for 2 weeks. The problem was that there was never manned aircraft airborne when they were tracking them and this was the first day and, unfortunately, we were the ones airborne and went and saw it. Mr. LANGWORTHY. Do you remember the weather that day? Was it cloudy or windy or anything out of the ordinary on the Pacific coast? Commander FRAVOR. It was actually—if you are familiar San Diego, it was a perfect day, light winds, no whitecaps, clear skies. Not a cloud. It was—for flying it was the best. Mr. LANGWORTHY. Now, is it true that you saw, in your words, a 40-foot flying Tic Tac shaped object? Commander FRAVOR. That is correct. For some people that can- not—know what a Tic Tac is it is a giant flying propane tank. Mr. LANGWORTHY. Did this object come up on radar or interfere with your radar or the USS Princeton? Commander FRAVOR. The Princeton tracked it. The Nimitz tracked it. The E2 tracked it. We never saw it on our radars. Our fire control radars never picked it up. The other airplane that took the video did get it on a radar. As soon as it tried to lock it, it jammed the radar, spit the lock and he rapidly switched over to the targeting pod, which you can do in the F–18. Mr. LANGWORTHY. From what you saw that day and what you have seen on video did you see any source of propulsion from the flying object including on any potential thermal scans from your aircraft?
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