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This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.
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27 Mr. MOSKOWITZ. OK. Do you have any information that the U.S. Government is involved in a disinformation campaign to deny the existence of certain UAPs? Mr. GRUSCH. I cannot go beyond what I have already stated pub- licly in my News Nation interview because it touches other sen- sitivities. Mr. MOSKOWITZ. OK. I will yield the balance of my time back. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. GROTHMAN. Ms. Foxx? Ms. FOXX. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I thank our witnesses for being here today. Mr. Grusch, in your sworn testimony you state that the U.S. Government has retrieved supposedly extraterrestrial spacecraft and other UAP-related artifacts. You go so far as to state that the U.S. is in possession of, quote, ‘‘nonhuman spacecraft,’’ end quote, and that some of these artifacts have circulated with defense con- tractors. Several other former military and intelligence officials have come forward with similar allegations albeit in nonpublic set- tings. However, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the Director of AARO, previously testified before Congress that there has been, and I quote, ‘‘no cred- ible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity’’ or of, quote, ‘‘off- world technology brought to the attention of the office.’’ To your knowledge, is that statement correct? Mr. GRUSCH. It is not accurate. I believe Dr. Kirkpatrick men- tioned he had about 30 individuals that have come to AARO thus far. A few of those individuals have also come to AARO that I also interviewed. Ms. FOXX. OK. Mr. GRUSCH. And I know what they provided Dr. Kirkpatrick and their team. Ms. FOXX. OK. Mr. GRUSCH. I was able to evaluate that information. Ms. FOXX. OK. I need to go on. Mr. GRUSCH. Sure. Ms. FOXX. But my understanding—this—his statement is accu- rate. Came from a direct quote, and this contradiction is a perfect example of why we need to inject transparency into our govern- ment. And for another example, look no further than the pitiful re- sponse to the Chinese spy balloon debacle earlier this year. You may remember the mass confusion that ensued when the balloon was first spotted over Montana 4 days after it first entered U.S. airspace over Alaska. The Biden Administration’s initial inability to address the object grew into a continuous series of embarrassments. After news of the balloon reached the mainstream media, we were assured that the balloon posed no threat to our security. However, after the balloon was allowed to transit the entire con- tinental United States, fighter jets were scrambled off the coast of South Carolina to shoot it down. This flip flopping and obfuscation caused needless confusion, fear, and panic across the country. It is my hope, Mr. Chairman, that this sort of confusion will not be repeated. We should investigate the extent to which elements of
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