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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2023-07-26 · 54 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.

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  • p. 13 …Fravor has his own UAP experience known as the Tic Tac event. I look forward to…
  • p. 17 …We continued down another 270 degrees, nose low, where the Tic Tac would have been. Our…
  • p. 18 …In closing, I would like to say that the Tic Tac object we engaged in 2004…
  • p. 20 …Fravor, the Tic Tac incident that you were engaged occurred in 2004. What kind of reporting…
  • p. 24 …Fravor, I noticed that in the Tic Tac video—it is Tic Tac like the candy…
  • p. 25 …We actually joked that the Tic Tac was communicating with something when we came back and…
  • p. 29 …So, we got within a half mile of the Tic Tac, which people say that is…
  • p. 43 …ever seen an object that looked and moved like the Tic Tac UAP? Commander FRAVOR. No.
  • p. 44 …Did the Tic Tac UAP move in such a way that defied the laws of physics…
  • p. 45 …Commander Fravor, we have all seen this floating Tic Tac video that you en- gaged with…
  • p. 46 …In your belief is this flying Tic Tac—I mean, is this—is it capable of…
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C O N T E N T S
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Hearing held on July 26, 2023 ............................................................................... 1
WITNESSES
Mr. Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10
Mr. David Grusch, Former National Reconnaissance Office Representative,
Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force, Department of Defense
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 11
Commander David Fravor (Ret.), Former Commanding Officer, United States
Navy
Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 12
Written opening statements and statements for the witnesses are available
on the U.S. House of Representatives Document Repository at:
docs.house.gov.
INDEX OF DOCUMENTS
* Report, Jeremy Corbell, ‘‘The UAP Puzzle’’; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Statement for the Record, by George Knapp; submitted by Rep. Burchett.
* Defense Intelligence Reference Document, ‘‘Advanced Space Propulsion
Based on Vacuum (Spacetime Metric) Engineering’’; submitted by Rep.
Burchett.
* Article, NewsNation, ‘‘We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks’’;
submitted by Rep. Luna.
Documents are available at: docs.house.gov.

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