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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2023-07-26 · 54 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.

  • p. 3 …Ryan Graves, Executive Director, Americans for Safe Aerospace Oral Statement ........................................................................................................ 10 Mr. David Grusch, Former National…
  • p. 9 …to be here as well. To Mr. Graves, I am particularly grateful to you to spend…
  • p. 10 …UFOs by the Defense Intelligence Agency. Mr. Graves and Commander Fravor’s experiences with UAPs have…
  • p. 13 …Our first witness is Lieutenant Ryan Graves. He is the Ex- ecutive Director of Americans for…
  • p. 14 …STATEMENT OF RYAN GRAVES EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AMERICANS FOR SAFE AEROSPACE Mr. GRAVES. Thank you, Chairman Grothman…
  • p. 19 …I am going to start with Mr. Graves. Are your pilots, or pilots that you interact…
  • p. 20 …Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. Each of you? Mr. GRAVES. I would also like to add from a…
  • p. 21 …and pilots’ interaction with UAPs. Particularly, Mr. Graves, one of the, I think, concerns from Mem…
  • p. 22 …order to investigate. Mr. GARCIA. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I will concur with everything Mr. Fravor…
  • p. 23 …technology we have today. Mr. Graves? Mr. Fravor? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. The objects that are being…
  • p. 25 …Mr. RASKIN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Graves, you reported UAP encounters during training flights, I…
  • p. 26 …what the convergence of descriptions is? Mr. GRAVES. Certainly. We were primarily seeing dark gray or…
  • p. 28 …for you before I move to Mr. Graves is you received prior approval from the Defense…
  • p. 29 …to safety for potential airline passengers? Mr. GRAVES. I have been made privy to conversations with…
  • p. 32 …we all eagerly await its results. Mr. Graves, how might NASA’s research influence the commer…
  • p. 33 …the agency to talk about it. Mr. Graves, can you discuss the importance of seeking scientists…
  • p. 36 …I wanted to pick up on. Mr. Graves, you mentioned specifically during the answer to one…
  • p. 37 …them. Ms. OCASIO-CORTEZ. OK. Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. I was an operator, so I was…
  • p. 38 …start with Mr. Graves and go on down the panel. Mr. GRAVES. Some of the initial…
  • p. 39 …American people? All of you, yes. Mr. GRAVES. I will say yes to that. Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 42 …In all of the phenomenon, perhaps, Mr. Graves, that you have ana- lyzed have we ever…
  • p. 43 …I want to thank each of you for being here to discuss a topic of grave…
  • p. 47 …essentially collecting reconnaissance in- formation? Mr. Graves? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. OGLES. Mr. Grusch? Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 48 …in UAP data collection and housing? Mr. GRAVES. I do not have an answer. Mr. GRUSCH…
  • p. 50 …right level. Mr. RASKIN. OK. And, Mr. Graves, you said that there are dozens of fellow…
  • p. 51 …Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. RASKIN. And with no self-evident propulsion system? Mr. GRAVES. No wings…
  • p. 52 …the public to report these sightings? Mr. GRAVES. Right now I do not think there is…
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COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY
JAMES COMER, Kentucky, Chairman
JIM JORDAN, Ohio
MIKE TURNER, Ohio
PAUL GOSAR, Arizona
VIRGINIA FOXX, North Carolina
GLENN GROTHMAN, Wisconsin
GARY PALMER, Alabama
CLAY HIGGINS, Louisiana
PETE SESSIONS, Texas
ANDY BIGGS, Arizona
NANCY MACE, South Carolina
JAKE LATURNER, Kansas
PAT FALLON, Texas
BYRON DONALDS, Florida
KELLY ARMSTRONG, North Dakota
SCOTT PERRY, Pennsylvania
WILLIAM TIMMONS, South Carolina
TIM BURCHETT, Tennessee
MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, Georgia
LISA MCCLAIN, Michigan
LAUREN BOEBERT, Colorado
RUSSELL FRY, South Carolina
ANNA PAULINA LUNA, Florida
CHUCK EDWARDS, North Carolina
NICK LANGWORTHY, New York
ERIC BURLISON, Missouri
JAMIE RASKIN, Maryland, Ranking Minority
Member
ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of
Columbia
STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts
GERALD E. CONNOLLY, Virginia
RAJA KRISHNAMOORTHI, Illinois
RO KHANNA, California
KWEISI MFUME, Maryland
ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, New York
KATIE PORTER, California
CORI BUSH, Missouri
JIMMY GOMEZ, California
SHONTEL BROWN, Ohio
MELANIE STANSBURY, New Mexico
ROBERT GARCIA, California
MAXWELL FROST, Florida
SUMMER LEE, Pennsylvania
GREG CASAR, Texas
JASMINE CROCKETT, Texas
DAN GOLDMAN, New York
JARED MOSKOWITZ, Florida
Vacancy
MARK MARIN, Staff Director
JESSICA DONLON, Deputy Staff Director and General Counsel
KAITY WOLFE, Senior Professional Staff Member
GRAYSON WESTMORELAND, Senior Professional Staff Member
MALLORY COGAR, Deputy Director of Operations and Chief Clerk
CONTACT NUMBER: 202-225-5074
JULIE TAGEN, Minority Staff Director
CONTACT NUMBER: 202-225-5051
SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, THE BORDER, AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS
GLENN GROTHMAN, Wisconsin, Chairman
PAUL GOSAR, Arizona
VIRGINIA FOXX, North Carolina
CLAY HIGGINS, Louisiana
PETE SESSIONS, Texas
ANDY BIGGS, Arizona
NANCY MACE, South Carolina
JAKE LATURNER, Kansas
PAT FALLON, Texas
KELLY ARMSTRONG, North Dakota
SCOTT PERRY, Pennsylvania
ROBERT GARCIA, California, Ranking Minority
Member
STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts
DAN GOLDMAN, New York
JARED MOSKOWITZ, Florida
KATIE PORTER, California
CORI BUSH, Missouri
MAXWELL FROST, Florida
Vacancy
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