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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency (hearing transcript)

U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2023-07-26 · 54 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.

  • p. 5 …Without objection, the Chair may declare a recess at any time. Additionally, without objection, the following…
  • p. 7 …I would say that is the biggest understatement of the decade. He also goes on to…
  • p. 8 …And I yield back the remainder of my time, I think—is it to Rep- resentative…
  • p. 9 …Even more alarming is the fact that these eyewitnesses are, many times, service members and have…
  • p. 10 …Now, some of the earliest reporting on this issue was a groundbreaking 2017 New York Times…
  • p. 12 …I want to yield the two and a half minutes, the remainder of my time, to…
  • p. 13 …I believe more information is known about the 171 instances. It is time for Congress to…
  • p. 15 11 was no official acknowledgement of the incident and no further mechanism to report the sightings…
  • p. 16 …At the time, due to my extensive executive level intelligence sup- port duties I was cleared…
  • p. 18 …the articles in the 2017 New York Times and it removed the stigma on the topic…
  • p. 19 …for the United States and best for the citizens. I thank you for your time. Thank…
  • p. 21 …Now, that was our personal firsthand experience at the time. Since then, as I have engaged…
  • p. 25 …Like many others in 2017, I saw the New York Times article come out as well…
  • p. 28 …They had official documentation and records from the event that the witness held over the years…
  • p. 29 25 provide precise kinematics on the object as well as the fleet of ob- jects that…
  • p. 31 …I will yield the balance of my time back. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. GROTHMAN. Ms…
  • p. 37 …I just—my time is limited. Mr. Graves, one of your main concerns that the FAA…
  • p. 39 …I know for a fact the video or the pic- tures that came out in the…
  • p. 46 …our speed in no time at all. Mr. LANGWORTHY. Now, if the fastest plane on Earth…
  • p. 48 …Chairman, with that, I will yield the remainder of my time to my fellow colleague from…
  • p. 50 …Chairman, I yield the remain- der of my time. Mr. GROTHMAN. OK. We will go to…
  • p. 51 …credibility to the New York Times article. And so after about six times I said OK…
  • p. 53 49 I also want to note for our witnesses and for the public that I am…
  • p. 54 …I need to compliment the folks in my office that did a lot of the work…
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it is transparent, and that it also provides appropriate answers as
our Oversight body always demands.
Now, it is really important that we are here in a bipartisan way
to have this conversation which really to the heart of it is about
national security and key to the Subcommittee’s core purpose.
This is the Subcommittee on National Security of the Oversight
Committee.
Now, our witnesses will testify today that UAPs have posed a se-
rious safety threat and we must understand this. More broadly, we
are dealing with real questions that get to the heart of our faith
in government.
Faith in our institutions, as we all know, is at an all-time low.
Partisanship and alternative facts make it too easy to doubt nar-
rative or our institutions. But this hearing will offer the public
unique perspectives, building on years of reporting by both Federal
agencies and the independent media.
Now, some of the earliest reporting on this issue was a
groundbreaking 2017 New York Times report which revealed re-
search as we know now on unidentified anomalous phenomena or
as many call UFOs by the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Mr. Graves and Commander Fravor’s experiences with UAPs
have also been documented by the public, not just by the New York
Times but CNN and many other national news outlets.
Now, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has pub-
lished public reports documenting UAPs and on June 9, 2022,
NASA announced that the agency is commissioning a study to, of
course, examine unidentified anomalous phenomena.
Now, the sheer number of reports, whistleblowers, and stories of
unidentified anomalous phenomena should raise real questions and
warrant investigation and oversight and that is why we are here
today.
Now, pilots have reported encounters for years and because of
the stigma around reporting these incidents we still do not have a
complete picture of actually what is going on, particularly, as your
witnesses will testify, on the civilian side and that is a real prob-
lem that we have today in the country.
Now, it is very important that we show that Democrats and Re-
publicans in Congress can come together in a bipartisan way to cut
through misinformation and to look at the facts in a serious and
thoughtful manner.
If we are to advance oversight and public disclosure, we must
also gain the broad support of the public. We will succeed getting
facts out to the public faster if there is a broad public support as
part of the process.
Now, I understand fully the Department of Defense is hesitant
to share information that could also undermine our national secu-
rity by revealing information on the capabilities of our own aircraft,
our sensors, and other sensitive material.
At the same time, many people believe that we are withholding
information from them and that is dangerous also. I believe in
openness and transparency. That is also the role of Congress, and
I want to trust that the American people will be able to weigh the
evidence and make up their own minds.

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