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Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency (hearing transcript)
U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Accountability · 2023-07-26 · 54 pages · text from the file's own layer
This is the printed transcript of a July 26, 2023 hearing before the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep. Glenn Grothman. Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Navy Commander David Fravor testified on unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for transparency, whistleblower protection and better pilot reporting. Graves described a near mid-air collision with a dark cube inside a clear sphere off the Eastern Seaboard.
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- p. 6 …Congress should work to ensure that knowledge
is not driven by fear.
Today, we are not…
- p. 8 …We need to tell the folks at the Pentagon they work for us,
daggum it. We…
- p. 9 …In being an active-duty service member working on an airfield,
I have had conversations with…
- p. 11 …I am proud to say that this hearing builds upon bipartisan work
by Members of the…
- p. 12 …I want to thank, obviously, committee staff and their staff work-
ing on this on a…
- p. 13 …And, finally, retired Navy Commander David Fravor, squadron
leader who worked as a naval aviator for…
- p. 18 …They work with Leslie Keane, who is present today, Ralph
Blumenthal and Helene Cooper to publish…
- p. 20 …If you had one, you captured one, you reverse engineered it, you
got it to work…
- p. 21 …And so can you just briefly—you mentioned that you are working
with 30 pilots right…
- p. 22 …be an outcome that this Committee can
work on.
Is there anything else just for the…
- p. 23 19
particularly by the 30 folks that you are working with, are essen-
tially outside the…
- p. 27 …To your knowledge, are NHIs working with adversarial foreign
governments in either technology exchange programs or…
- p. 29 …Grusch, as a result of your previous govern-
ment work, have you met with people with…
- p. 32 …marketplaces, and I think NASA’s
work, as they work to identify and highlight specific parameters…
- p. 33 …I have been working with the American Institute of Aero-
nautics and Astronautics to help them…
- p. 35 …hammered, but seems like it does not work the
other way, right.
Mr. BURCHETT. If you…
- p. 40 …a theo-
retical framework at least to work off to kind of espouse crashes.
Regardless of…
- p. 41 …did not have a FLIR system that worked. Here is what he
said.
They were out…
- p. 45 …Got a Master’s from Univer-
sity of Houston and I have worked in the private…
- p. 48 …Do you have any personal knowledge of someone who has
possibly been injured working on legacy…
- p. 50 …we had at the entrance to our
working area. One of these objects was completely stationary…
- p. 51 47
exact entrance to our working areas, not only geographically but
also altitude.
So, it was…
- p. 52 …I do want to thank the Committee staff on both sides for
the amount of work…
- p. 53 …the broader
issue as it relates to working with our Republican counterparts on
this Committee.
I…
- p. 54 …I need to compliment
the folks in my office that did a lot of the work…
U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE
WASHINGTON :53–022 PDF 2023
UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA:
IMPLICATIONS ON NATIONAL SECURITY,
PUBLIC SAFETY, AND GOVERNMENT
TRANSPARENCY
HEARING
BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY,
THE BORDER, AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS
OF THE
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT
AND ACCOUNTABILITY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED EIGHTEENTH CONGRESS
FIRST SESSION
JULY 26, 2023
Serial No. 118–53
Printed for the use of the Committee on Oversight and Accountability
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