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Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (hearing transcript, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, 17 May 2022)

House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence · 2022-05-17 · 53 pages · text from the file's own layer

This is the transcript of the open session of a hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena, held on 17 May 2022 by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation. Under Secretary Ronald Moultrie and Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray testified on the new AOIMSG office, efforts to reduce stigma in reporting, and a UAP database of about 400 reports. Bray showed videos, explained flashing triangles as drones seen through night vision goggles, and called the 2004 Nimitz incident unresolved.

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Today we know better. UAPs are unexplained, it is true, but they are real.
They need to be investigated, and any threats they pose need to be mitigated.
Under Secretary Moultrie, Mr. Bray, thank you for coming today. First, we need
you to update us on the status of AOIMSG. The legislation creating it was passed in
December. The deadline for implementation is fast approaching, but the group does
not even have a named director. We need to know, sirs, the status of the organization
and the obstacle to getting it up and running.
Secondly, you have to convince the audience today, and most especially our
military and civilian aviators, the culture has changed, that those who report UAPs be
treated as witnesses, not as kooks.
Thirdly, you need to show us, Congress, and the American public, whose
imaginations you have captured, you are willing to follow the facts where they lead.
You know, we fear sometimes that the DOD is focused more on emphasizing what it can
explain, not investigating what it can't. I am looking for you to assure us today that all
conclusions are on the table.
One final note. We are mindful today that AOIMSG is not starting from scratch.
This is the third version of this task force in DOD, and civil society groups like the Mutual
UFO Network, Mr. Corbell, and others have been collecting data on this issue for years.
I hope you will explain how you can leverage the knowledge and experience of our prior
work on this matter to move the AOIMSG along.
The last time Congress had a hearing on UAPs was half a century ago. I hope
that it does not take 50 more years for Congress to hold another because transparency is
desperately needed.
I now turn to Ranking Member Crawford for comments he would like to make.
[The statement of Chairman Carson follows:]

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