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This is the printed record of a July 26, 2023 hearing of the House Oversight and Accountability Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, published by the U.S. Government Publishing Office as Serial No. 118-53. Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified about unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for government transparency, criticized AARO's classified budget and stigma against reporting, and Graves described a near miss with a dark cube inside a clear sphere.

  • p. 10 …Now, pilots have reported encounters for years and because of the stigma around reporting these incidents…
  • p. 14 …tary veterans who have confided their similar encounters with me. Today I would like to highlight…
  • p. 15 …Soon these encounters became so frequent that aircrew would discuss the risk of UAP as part…
  • p. 19 …trained and briefed on how to handle encounters with UAPs? Mr. GRAVES. No. Right now, military…
  • p. 20 …Was this incident the only UAP event that you encountered while you were a pilot? Commander…
  • p. 21 …30 pilots right now that have had encounters with UAPs. But you have also, I believe…
  • p. 22 …not pi- lots who may have UAP encounters? Do either of you have any sug- gestions…
  • p. 25 …Graves, you reported UAP encounters during training flights, I think, and have since come forward to…
  • p. 26 …system- atic inventory of all of such encounters. Is that right? Mr. GRAVES. Yes, and I…
  • p. 44 …It took over 15 years for your encounter with the Tic Tac to be declassified. Do…
  • p. 50 …I wonder was this the first time that you encountered a UFO or a UAP in…
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UNIDENTIFIED ANOMALOUS PHENOMENA:
IMPLICATIONS ON NATIONAL SECURITY,
PUBLIC SAFETY, AND GOVERNMENT
TRANSPARENCY
Wednesday, July 26, 2023
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY
SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY,
THE BORDER, AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS
Washington, D.C.
The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:06 a.m., in
room 2154, Rayburn Office Building, Hon. Glenn Grothman,
[Chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding.
Present: Representatives Grothman, Gosar, Foxx, Sessions,
Biggs, Mace, LaTurner, Armstrong, Perry, Garcia, Moskowitz, and
Frost.
Also present: Representatives Luna, Burlison, Gaetz, Burchett,
Comer, Ogles, Langworthy, Raskin, and Ocasio-Cortez.
Mr. GROTHMAN. The Subcommittee on unidentified anomalous
phenomena, or UAPs, will come to order.
Welcome, everyone. Without objection, the Chair may declare a
recess at any time. Additionally, without objection, the following
Members are waived on to the Subcommittee for the purpose of
participating in today’s hearing: Mr. Burchett of Tennessee, Ms.
Luna of Florida, Mr. Gaetz of Florida, Mr. Burlison of Missouri,
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez of New York, and Mr. Ogles of Tennessee. With-
out objection so ordered.
For today’s Subcommittee hearing both the Chair and Ranking
Member will have 10 minutes for opening remarks. We may both
be giving some of those minutes to other Members of our party.
I am now going to recognize myself for 10 minutes. I am actually
going to try to get out of here in about four and then we will give
it to some of my friends over here.
Good morning, and welcome to the most exciting Subcommittee
in Congress this week, the Subcommittee on National Security, the
Border, and Foreign Affairs for discussion of unidentified anoma-
lous phenomenon.
I would like to thank the brave military panelists and personnel,
such as the witnesses on the panel today, for sharing their stories
on how they have engaged UAPs, which has brought attention to
this matter.

Cases discussed

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