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This is the printed record of a July 26, 2023 hearing of the House Oversight and Accountability Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, published by the U.S. Government Publishing Office as Serial No. 118-53. Witnesses Ryan Graves, David Grusch and retired Commander David Fravor testified about unidentified anomalous phenomena. Members pressed for government transparency, criticized AARO's classified budget and stigma against reporting, and Graves described a near miss with a dark cube inside a clear sphere.
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35 there. You have to acknowledge that you are seeing them and then you have to collect the data. Right now, you get the report. Someone says, I saw something, but no one collects the radar data to back it up and do research. Mr. BIGGS. OK. Do you believe that the 2019 classification guide- lines for UAPs interferes with the Federal Government’s ability to be transparent with the American people and do you think we need to be more transparent with the American people? All of you, yes. Mr. GRAVES. I will say yes to that. Mr. GRUSCH. Yes, I am familiar with the UAP Task Force 2019 Security Classification guide. I think it is fair. I did actually help author that with the Director. Mr. BIGGS. Uh-oh. You got a bias then. Mr. GRUSCH. Yes. I will say—I will call it a lazy attitude about declassifying videos. I mean, I have seen some of the videos of, you know, the recent shoot down and I saw no reason that could not have been released as long as they mask, you know, some data. The American people deserve to see that imagery and full motion video. Commander FRAVOR. I would think—well, in my opinion, I will say things are over-classified. I know for a fact the video or the pic- tures that came out in the—I think it was the 2020 report, that had the stuff off the East Coast that were taken with an iPhone off the East Coast. A buddy of mine was one of the senior people there and he said they originally classified it TS/SCI, and my question then was what is TS/SCI about these? They are an iPhone literally off the vacapes. That is not TS/SCI. So, they are over classified, and as soon as they do that they go in a vault and then you all have to look for them. Mr. BIGGS. So, with the over-classification that may be one way. Are there other ways that the DoD or intelligence agencies are keeping this information from the American people or even from Congress? Mr. GRAVES. I think part of that has been not encouraging re- porting, if the problem is not something that can be measured, if it is not something that is going to be fixed. Mr. BIGGS. OK. Very good. Well, I am out of time and I thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I yield back. Mr. GROTHMAN. First of all, without objection, Representative Nick Langworthy of New York is waived on the Subcommittee for purpose of questioning witnesses at today’s Subcommittee hearing. And then we go to Mr. Burlison. Mr. BURLISON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate you guys coming out today testifying. Look, I have been here for 6 months and I am pretty skeptical. I do not trust anything in this town and so—and I think that is because I am from Missouri. You have got to show me, right. With that being said, there has been a lot of things that have been said in the public, Mr. Grusch, and so I want to get down, if we can, to some specifics, right.
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